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Der Golfplatz SPINDELMÄHER VERGLEICH – wer gewinnt?

Der Golfplatz SPINDELMÄHER VERGLEICH – wer gewinnt?


Win the Toro or John Deere Hello dear sickle mower freaks, welcome to a new video. Today is the day. Today there is finally the long, long, long, long announced and hopefully from you eagerly awaited sickle mowers comparison. My two professional mowers John Deere 2500 against Toro Greensmaster 3250 Both diesel engines three-cylinder diesel engines. Which mower is the better? Which mower will the lawn freak finally sell? You will see today that the lawn is not optimal. I have everywhere a few more dry spots and, above all, a whole range of brownish spots. I’m just leaving the Poa annua to starve. Yeah right, you saw my video “Homecoming”, I have explained exactly how to do reduces the Poa annua and my neighbor attacks me. Another lawn freak at the start, the neighborhood is there. He take off, good that he is not naked. We will start the mowing pattern, then comes the very, very, very important topic off-road capability. I have a relatively hilly lawn, relatively hilly property with waves, with slopes. So let’s see how the two mowers get over it and of course in comparison also mow every blade of grass. Will be very exciting. Then the next topic is, I wrote extra a note for myself, ergonomics and user-friendliness. Then acoustics, I find acoustics very important, mowers are loud. I’m very curious, I have downloaded an app to measure the acoustics, the noise, in decibels. I am very curious, pass-by noise, driving noise, very, very hot topic. So then we still have a bit of technology. technology comparison, what are the technical highlights of the two machines. And in the end, last but not least, it’s of course a question of money, resale value and above all, popularity in the used market. The things are both ancient, well over 10 years old, and.. I would like to do that with completely new machines, that would be cool, Toro and John Deere. Here’s the Lawnfreak on YouTube, where are your new machines? That would be cool. But I do not believe that. It’s okay. Win the Toro or the John Deere. Yes freaks, for me is the biggest and crucial difference between Toro and John Deere the spindles. The spindle and the spindle suspension. There separates the wheat from the chaff. Let’s take a look at the John Deere. Basket removal Toro basket removal Two handles, one handle Bracket here, such spikes where the basket is plugged I always have to say that these are old mowers, of course. 13 years old and 15 years old, so both mowers are already quite old. The technology for the baskets and Of course, recordings have evolved. The modern mowers are different today. We talk about it here what can I as a private man, as a private Lawnfreak, afford. These machines are still great with age. But not anymore state of the art. The big difference between Toro and John Deere is the picking up and holding of the basket. We have at the Toro a 4-joint, that means the spindle is completely decoupled from the suspension of the basket. The basket hangs here … The basket hangs here on this bracket and it spindle is independent of it. The spindle of the toro is pulled behind over these tie rods and is kept up free only from this hook. The next big difference is the role. We have one profiled roll. We don’t have that at the John Deere. I would like to have it at the John Deere too, but it would cost a crazy amount of money. And the diameter of the rollers is significantly larger than at the John Deere. Both have an 11-knife spindle, which is the standard for golf course green mowers. Very nice here the die-cast housing. A wonderful die-cast housing very solid construction. You can even look at how I assembled the spindle. Super, solid, easy-to-set technology. I really loved it. Also the rear drive of the cleaning role, here this brush, the drive of this roller brush is much better solved with a belt drive. And not with a gear drive, runs much quieter, the spindle is much quieter than John Deere. I like that, really good. The biggest difference to the Toro is the reception and storage of the spindle. Toro pulls the spindle over a bracket afterwards. The bracket is connected with two tie rods to the spindle. Here hangs the spindle also on a bracket. But here is the spindle over a ball stored and freely movable in all directions. That means the spindle can balance completely any terrain form, each ground unevenness. It is completely free and in all directions rotatably mounted. This has advantages and disadvantages. You will see that later in the compare of driving over hills or slopes. That’s a big difference. The John Deere has a smaller role than the Toro. A smooth roll, not rippled. Smooth is at golf course greens better than rippled. Grooved is better with higher grass because the grass is not pressed so flat. Yes then here the bracket technology for the basket. The John Deere has an 11-knife spindle too, so completely comparable to Toro. The John Deere has here a tubular steel housing, no die-cast housing. All in sheets and pipes welded together. Laterally he has for the brush a gear drive. You can take a look at my old videos for John Deere. How this gear drive is built. The whole gear and spindle drive is significantly louder than the Toro. Here, acoustically, the John Deere has, in my view, a big disadvantage. Let’s quickly measure the total width, the maximum width of the mower. This is from lid to lid. I am aiming … approximately 187 cm is the total width. Let’s take a look at the Toro. So we’ve got a width here, about 178 cm. The Toro has a maximum width of 178 cm. Here from the lid to the lid. What I really like about this spindle, at the Toro, is that when the spindle is raised, in the driving position, in the transport position, that this spindle is fixed. She does not move, she is being held it does not wobble, it does not swing back and forth. It sits firmly and is also from the distance to the ground pretty high. You can drive easily over everything. They do not sit up, they do not swing, that’s when … oh, a little dirt. This is solved really well here at the Toro. What I do not like about this John Deere spindle suspension at all is that the spindle can still move very strongly in the raised position, in the driving position. She is swinging back and forth. And you can see that it is very lightly put on, here at the lid on the floor. And there the lid is already properly sanded. So that the spindle is running very good over uneven floors, you have to hang the chain in the last link. You can also hang them higher, but then the spindle is very quickly dug when you drive over waves. Because I have strong hilly property, I hung the spindle here in the outermost chain link. And that’s why she hangs down so deep, that means you have to be very careful if you drive over somewhere so that the spindle not put on when driving. One of the most interesting differences I find between Toro and John Deere is the position of the rear spindle. There you see the back spindle, there it is. At the John Deere, the spindle is wide behind the wheel center of the front wheels. At the Toro, the spindle is almost between the wheels. Toro achieves that way that the track, the front track width, has made very wide. I measured that. Toro has a track width of 154 cm. John Deere has a track width of, from outer edge to outer edge of tire measured, 127 cm. Thus, the spindle does not fit between the wheels and therefore the spindle must sit behind the front wheels. You can see that very clearly. The Toro is as wide as a race car on its front wheels While the John Deere so relatively narrow and squeezed at the front seems. Big advantage you can pull the spindle as close as possible to the wheel center of the front wheels. And that means if the front wheels roll over some waves the spindle is tightened relatively well and does not lift off so fast. The big difference here is that you can take the basket from the middle at the front. You can just grab it in here and take out the basket. I think that’s really super easy. In order to remove the basket here, you have to hang down the bracket and take out the basket. A big disadvantage is that you can’t work very, very bad at the spindle. For example you want to check the cutting quality of the rear spindle. If you want to look with a piece of paper, how well does the knife actually cut. This is very complicated. You can’t really reach it and you can’t reach it from the front through the hole still from the side. You really ought to drive up the machine or drive on ramps. Now I’m thinking about buying two of such ramps, to be able to reasonably work on the Toro. The spindles are under the hook here, the hook to pick up, very loose and free. That means the spindle can now move, move up and down. Here the hook is not obstructed. What I find really exciting is that the spindle do not turn aside. The spindle does not twist when mowing. If you drive around a bend then the spindle always remains parallel to the mower and does not tip over. The huge advantage here is that the spindle does not come against the wheels – that’s quite different with the John Deere. Yes, now the spindles are down. Now you can see how the spindle moves. Can be really strong now … The spindle can twist so much when cornering and at the back, I can show you again then you see how at extreme cornering the rear spindle comes against the rear wheel. At the front wheel that does not happen so easily. But you just can not see the spindle at the back that’s why this can happen if you do not raise the spindles first. I have now lowered the spindle and now the spindle can twisting. Now, if I’m going to Here you can see very pretty as the spindle comes against the wheel in very strong cornering. This is unfortunately a problem. Has happened to me a few times, my wife too. So tight curves with the spindle lowered, the John Deere does not work at all. For me the biggest drawback to the Toro. That’s why the John Deere gets a point deduction here. Now we come to the next discipline: Ergonomics. How do these two mowers differ ergonomically? The John Deere is from the seating position significantly higher than the Toro. For this I will now use my highly accurate measuring instrument. We first measure approximately where the butt sits. Here we have 2.5 yes 2 cm 85.5 minus 2.5 are 83 cm. Now let’s see how high you are sitting in the Toro above the ground. There are 6 cm and now we have 86, that means we are sitting 80 cm, exactly where the butt lies, 80 cm above the ground. The steering wheel is adjustable in inclination. I always like to drive the steering wheel down nicely. Is wonderful in the hand. The seat also has a longitudinal adjustment, so once at the very front at the very back. He is slightly inclined, the seat height adjustment, that means you slip a bit higher if you push the seat backwards. The whole panel here that goes along. I think that’s cool, that means the ergonomics of the instruments here are always the same. You have a very, very nice overview from up here. You can see wonderful on the spindle baskets. You can really aim where is the edge where you have to mow along. I like that of the … I really like the whole overview. Super The steering wheel is also adjustable in height, here around a swivel joint. You release a lever here and can put the steering wheel completely down and high like this. That’s the highest position. The steering wheel is much more in front of the nose, in front of the face. Is relatively high. Very strong tied up. The steering wheel and the bracket from the steering wheel also obstruct the unobstructed view on the baskets, on the spindles. On the left, it is still okay, on the right you have to bend over a bit, to see the mowing edge very good and to adhere to the line. You get used to it, it’s okay. It’s okay but I do not think it’s optimal. The Toro also has a seat-length adjustment. As you can also in a certain area move the seat back and forth. However, there are two screw positions for tall people with long legs. As you can the seat again 40 mm, move 4 cm to the back. But since I’m so short, the front sitting position is good for me. From the arrangement of the pedals the Toro is also completely fine. Wonderful you can drive well. Conclusion: John Deere wins. Ergonomically, the John Deere is really better, clearer, better to adjust, better to use. Everything is better in the hand. Here the John Deere clearly won. That is it for today. Thank you for watching and who has won? Everyone has advantages and disadvantages. I have a secret favorite. I will not tell you. I think you know who my favorite is. Write me in the comments as you found it and see you in the next video. Your Lawnfreak
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Comments (11)

  1. cool vid man that will help a lot of People who Need a big machine

  2. cooles Detail das du je nach Mäher immer das passende TShirt anhast. Weiter so!!!

  3. Super Testvideo👍

  4. OH for subtitles!!! Which do you like best for the smaller lawn?

  5. Ich finde beide geil 😎

  6. Man merkt sehr deutlich welchen du Favorisierst 🤣😊

  7. Super Video! Du solltest mal im Odenwald vorbei kommen und einen Jacobsen GP400 bei mir Probe fahren und einstellen. Denn die untere Spindel lässt sich seitlich rausgehen was eine feine Sache ist. Mach weiter so 👍

  8. Vorab: super Video`s, schaue ich super gern…..: jetzt der Männervorführeffekt: er erklärt seine Maschinen und die Frau muss auf alle vieren….. (es soll kein gehate sein bzw. Mache ich mich auch nicht lustig…..ich selber sitze auch auf allen vieren und zupfe das Unkraut aus dem Pflaster – es passte nur gerade so schön

  9. Du hast eins vergessen das schleifen der Spindeln, kenne da einen Fachmann der nur Spindeln schleift und sagt das es entscheidende Unterschiede zwischen Jonny, Toro, Jacobsen, Baroness gib

  10. WOW! 10K…hab glaube ich bei 2000 angefangen Deine Videos zu schauen…mach mal bitte wieder was zum Thema düngen (Herbst) oder Roboter.

  11. Na da läuft doch von der Sache her wohl auf den Toro hinaus würde ich mal Sagen.

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