Dave: Today’s cool fact of the day, is that
a recent study found that your chances of remembering something is far greater if you
see it or touch it versus only hear it. In this study, research participants had a difficult
time remembering something they heard only 4 to 8 seconds after hearing it, but if they
could connect the sound with a visual or tactile kind of stimulation, their recall increased.
Now this is why some spiritual traditions request that when people study their texts,
the people move back and forth like this. It’s actually because you’re getting the nervous
system activated while you’re studying, so it sticks in your brain better.
Since our guest today is so fascinating and amazing, you might actually want to consider
watching him live and listening to this episode. Check it out on our YouTube channel. Today’s
guest is Peter Sage. He’s an international serial entrepreneur, a world class speaker,
an executive coach, who wrote his book at 18 years old about physique. He wrote Lessons
Learned From the Recession and Five Keys to Master Your Life. Not only that, he’s the
founder of Space Energy, which is a multi-billion dollar project to generate and transmit clean
energy from space, a competition level body builder, an ultra-marathoner, and a member
of the Dangerous Sports Club. Basically, this is a guy who knows how to
kick ass, in fact, knows how to teach people how to kick because he’s also a Tony Robbin’s
certified trainer. Peter Sage, I hope that introduction did you
justice. Welcome to the show. Peter: Hi Dave. It’s always interesting to
hear how different facts of your life can be presented in certain combinations that
make you sound better than you probably are, but yeah, thank you for that.
Dave: You’re so welcome. In all seriousness though, you are a guy who has a track record
of outperforming at multiple things at the same time, which is one the reasons that I
reached to Brian Rose for an introduction to have you on the show. What do you do every
day to perform so well? I mean you’re one of the upper echelon performers. What’s your
trick? Peter: I appreciate that question actually.
There’s no trick to it. That’s one of the challenges. If people think that there’s a
trick, and they don’t see themselves as a magician, then it kind of puts themselves
out of the realm, and there’s this separation that occurs whereby you have this sort of
guru-itis or you have this, “Well it’s okay for you because …” fill in the blank, but
not for me because I don’t fill in that blank. One of the first things I’d invite people,
either looking or listening to this to understand, is the fact that there’s nothing special about
me. I’m you probably out of the chair, and maybe I’ve had the opportunity to do a few
things or had a few levels of insights that some people may not yet have the opportunity
to have access to. Hopefully we can address some of that here on this show.
There’s no trick to what I do. There’s no magic that is outside of the scope of anybody
else can do. We all have natural predispositions, but if I was to put down the fact that or
highlight some of the attributes that have allowed me the illusion of being a magician,
I would have to put it down to self-discipline when it comes to taking charge of my inner
world. As a result of that, my outer world appears to others to fall into place, probably
a little more than theirs. That would be the only thing.
Now, so there is a … How do I put it? There is a discipline required, and I spend most
of my time in the morning doing my morning practice whereby I stay centered. I do meditate.
I do read positive, inspirational personal developments, self-improvement texts. I do
visualize what it is that I want. Nothing that anybody else that has the same basic
nervous system, biochemistry, and somewhat probably matching limited intelligence that
I have, couldn’t do. It’s consistency. If I’m able to do that on
a consistent basis, there’s no magic to that. It’s just a decision to be able to do it.
Dave: Well, there’s a decision to do it, and then there’s the selection of what to do,
which is a big problem. There are guys like Tim Ferriss who have mastered all these different
techniques … And you clearly have a morning routine that’s helped you to elevate your
inner world so that your outer world matches; very elegant way of saying that. What does
the routine look like? I mean do you wake up at 5am and go for a run? Do you wake up
at like 10am and have a latte at the corner Starbucks? How does the whole thing work,
right? Peter: I know how those two choices … There’s
a lot of people that would like it to be the second one.
Dave: I know. Peter: Nature operates on 2 laws: growth and
con [inaudible 00:05:09] -bution, and so growth is inherent to challenge. The unchallenged
remains juvenile, and unfortunately in today’s world of instant gratification that is being
pushed to us by so many different agendas, commercial and otherwise, it’s very hard for
people to get onto the positive side of the habit curve when it comes to willingly challenging
themselves. Yes, that includes getting up earlier and making time, not that you can
manufacture time, but utilizing time more effectively than most people who would rather
stay in bed because they went to bed watching movies or don’t have a self-discipline on
diet that supports a high level or energy. Now saying that, some people are naturally
more morning focus people, and some are a naturally more night focused people. I am
a morning guy, so for me, my start is 6am at the latest. I’m usually in my meditation
room by 6am. My routine is that I will review my morning prayer, my goals. I will sit and
meditate. I will visualize. I will read, and then I will likely journal. I will journal
for anywhere between 5 and 20 minutes depending on any insights or inspirations that came
through for me to self-reflect. That’s it. I’ll then go hit the gym for half
an hour, and that’s my morning routine. By 9am, I’ve invested in my mind and my body,
my spirit, and I’m ready for the day. That’s all there is to it.
Dave: What kind of meditation do you do? 6am is kind of early. A lot of people fall asleep
when they try and do meditation. So is this the jumping jack meditation? What do you do?
Peter: I actually have a rebounder in my meditation room, would you believe? I tend to get [inaudible
00:06:56] for … I have my goals on the wall, and my incantations not … I’ll rebound what
to start with. That kind of gets the blood flowing a little bit, especially if you do
have a little bit of morning mode creeping in. For me, by the time I’m meditating, I’m
sitting down; I’m already vibrating. I’m already buzzing. I’m already in a state of positive
energy on that level. For meditation, it will vary. Predominantly,
it’s about breathing and focus and being presence. I don’t have a fancy technique. I’ve spent
time with some of the Zen masters, living on mountaintops and spending time with people
that do that for 20 years, but that’s not my deal, where as long I can quiet my mind.
If my mind doesn’t want to be quiet, then as long as I can observe my mind from a deeper
place, of witnessing it rather than getting caught up in the merry-go-round of thoughts
that most people try and control. You’re not going to control your mind. As
long as you can disidentify with the fact that you are not your thoughts, it allows
you a deeper place to witness them from. I think that’s the challenge with most people
that try and meditate. They’re trying to control their thoughts, yet your mind is an unruly
child. For most people, the constant stimulation though the day, especially in today’s multi-connective
social media world, your mind is constantly being trained to be unruly. For you to then
think that in 20 minutes a morning you’re going to master that is like trying to go
to the jungle and tame a lion. You’re not going to do it.
It’s not going to happen, so if you can disidentify and come to the place, the fact that I am
not my thoughts. My thoughts are a very small part of who I am. If my conscious is a fishbowl
full of water, the thoughts are the fish. If I can come at it from understanding that
I’m more than that. I’m the water. The fish have to swim through that from time to time,
but that isn’t me. I’m deeper than that. It’s easier to I think calm yourself and not caught
up by being hooked on all the usual stuff that hooks the mind.
Dave: Now, I share your view there exactly, “You are not your thoughts.” Yet, there’s
a huge number … There are huge number of listeners who are going to say “But wait,
I’m a rational being. It’s all about the rationality of my thought.” How do you draw the line between
sort of the soft world of meditation where “You are not your thoughts” and the hard world
which is “Well, if I think about it, A leads to B, B leads to C, therefore A leads to C,”
that kind of rationalist view of the world versus something where “Ah, the thoughts happened,
I acknowledge the thoughts. I use the thoughts, but I am not the thoughts”?
A lot of my clients, a lot of the people who read my blog, struggle with that. They don’t
want to be too airy-fairy, and they don’t want to be hard ass robots. How do you walk
that line down the middle? Peter: You have to chunk up a little bit to
a high level of awareness and open up to the fact that if you can’t come to a place where
you recognize that there is a physical and a metaphysical, you’re always going to be
[stumped 00:10:03]. Yes, we know that there is metaphysical, and metaphysical simply means
outside of the realm of the 5 physical senses. When was the last time you rationalized being
in love? That’s not something that operates though causality and Newtonian physics. If
you walk up to your wife to be and go through a checklist, yeah, I don’t put a lot of hope
on lasting marriage of unconditional love. There’s the part of us that makes us human.
There is a spiritual aspect to us or a metaphysical aspect or an intangible aspect because if
you were to say somebody “Who are you?”, if you want to live in the physical world, you
are not your body. I know that because you’ve got a very different body now than you had
when you were 5 years old. You’re going to have a different body now than when you’re
80 years old. That’s non-negotiable, but it’s still the same essence of you. The real essence
of you has to be non-physical. It’s the non-physical. It’s your sense of humor. It’s your personality,
your charisma, your beliefs, your values, your dreams, your hopes, your wishes.
If I was to take that out of you and put it into somebody else, then it would be you in
a different body. If you can understand that “No. Okay, I’m not my thoughts, but how does
that translate day-to-day when I’ve got a mortgage to pay?” Well, understand the possibility
to be open to that fact first because it will allow you a different perspective. You have
control, limited control a lot of the time, over your thoughts, but if you start identifying
with them, you fall into a trap. As much as if you identify yourself with your body, you
fall into a trap. You’re not your body. Jesus didn’t know himself as his body. Muhammad
didn’t know himself as his body. You have to have a level of appreciation by
chunking up to a higher level of awareness. Now, if that’s not your journey right now,
then fair enough. Biological maturity is not something we get to vote on. Emotional maturity
and spiritual maturity is a choice. For some people that get too caught up in the day-to-day,
maybe about right now, that’s not their time. The challenge is that … Or the paradox is
the more you tend to sit with a level of personal inquiry of that level, the more things start
to allow the mind to relax because it will start to see things that operate outside of
causality, and when it has amassed enough evidence to do that, it tends to release its
death grip on circumstance. Dave: Amazingly just literate and well worded,
well phrased description of that, and thank you for sharing that. I actually haven’t found
a very good way to try and explain that concept. I’ve make a part of my own practice to not
say “I have a cold.” It’s more like “My body has this” because I’m trying to just build
into my view of the world that as you know, “I’m not my body, and I’m not my thoughts”
because I think about all kinds of weird stuff, or at least my mind does. It’s like “Whatever”
but … Peter: That isn’t me!
Dave: Yeah. I don’t have to feel guilty about that. “Ah, it was just a thought.” Like, “Yeah,
maybe I would like to do that, but I’m not going to, so I’m just going to set that aside,
that thought aside right now.” That can be really liberating, but when you switch gears,
and you look at say, what an entrepreneur does, and you look at what they do in business,
how does that emotional response in the body, even that metaphysical side of things, as
well as the physical side of things come into play? Your emotions can be the boss. Your
rational thinking can be the boss, but when you’re the business boss, not just the boss
of your own biology, how do you lean one way or the other just as an entrepreneur, not
just as a fully functioning human being? Peter: For me, it has again to do with recognizing
the …. The physical world tends to have its basis in the mind. Your thoughts react
to the outside world. Your logic, your reasoning, your associations, your conclusions, inductions,
all stem from the mind; all of which is busy doing whatever it does when a business decision
has to be made, when a functional decision has to be made. But, we have a thinking center,
granted and it’s exceptionally useful if we tend to take charge of it more of the time
rather than have it run us, but we also have a feeling center. The feeling center is where
a lot of people tend to have this misnomer. It’s not the airy-fairy emotional world of
reacting to circumstances. You know, “I’m frustrated. I’m angry. I’m horny” I’m whatever
it is. There’s a lot of emotions and biochemicals that interact in the physical body and that’s
drive the thoughts based on reaction to emotion. There’s also a deeper sense of self that comes
from … I call it a heart level of intelligence. We now understand in science that the heart
has its own brain, 40,000 neurons as a minimum, and the impetus of the intelligence of the
decisions that the heart brain makes is the basis for what the head brain should actually
listen to first. Most of the time we have it the opposite way around.
We’ll make a logical decision and then try to rationalize it the way we do, or we try
and justify our emotional reaction with logic. We don’t go deeper than that and say, ultimately,
get rid of the emotional reaction caused by either frustration or joy or reaction to whatever
biochemical endorphins or serotonin or cortisone reactions going on in my body. What’s beneath
that? People ask me about leadership … Okay. Very
quick example. There’s a billion books on leadership. There’s a thousand different courses.
There’s many different models and this that and the other. Leadership comes down to one
predominant principle: Do what’s right. Dave: Yes.
Peter: If you’re willing to be unpopular in the moment for what you believe to be right,
you’ve got the genesis of true leadership right there. Now, we can go through all sorts
of fancy different terms and stages and labels and translations, but ultimately, you’ll get
more out of becoming a personal leader by doing what’s right, independent of the good
opinion of others and the need for approval and significance. Yeah. Not what you feel
you need to impose on somebody else to prove your point, that’s a different game. That’s
emotional immaturity trying to masquerade through a level of ego and significance and
being a bully. Do what’s right. We know what’s right. Underneath,
strip everything away, listen to your fricking heart. Understand that when push comes to
shove, and you reflect after the fact, you knew what you needed to do. We either didn’t
have the courage to make that decision because there was other patterns running, or we justified
because the mind was in charge. Coming back to your original question, the thinking center
is useful, but if it leads to show … You’re on a hamster wheel to frustration most of
the time. If your reaction is geared based on emotions, then you never have a sense of
groundedness. But if you can go deeper than that and come
from a deeper part of your feeling center where, call it your soul without getting too
esoteric, call it [the partly 0017:37] essence of you. Someone … Hawkins would call it
“The eye of the eye,” the center of you. Then, you have a very different level of presence.
You realize there’s no better tomorrows. There’s no worse yesterdays. There’s only a present
moment where you can make an intelligent informed and congruent decision that aligns your heart,
your motions, and your mind. From there, you’re free to do what you want.
Dave: I did not know that you were a fan of Hawkins. That’s awesome and very esoteric.
One of the things that I struggle with when I work with clients is that a lot of the concepts
that you’re talking about are ineffable, and that there aren’t really great words to describe
whatever that thing is. One of the techniques that I use is, I’m a certified HeartMath trainer
using heart rate variability training. Is that something that you use as well in your
own practice to help connect with that part of you? I found for me it was one of the first
ways I got … Peter: If you go into my meditation room right
now, alongside the incense, you’ll find a HeartMath sensor.
Dave: There you go. These techniques are so powerful and it’s surprising how many people
will say “Yeah, I do that,” people who are at your level of performance. It’s in my mind,
it’s almost like cheating because I can meditate. I’ve been to Tibet and Nepal and Peru and
all that, but I find … When I have sensor, sometimes I just get more meditation per minute,
and that’s also a variable. It would be very luxurious to spend 8 hours a day meditating
to be perfectly aligned with that little ineffable thing that we’re both talking about there.
That’s one of the things I use, but what are the faster ways to happiness that you might
use aside from HeartMath. Are there things that make you happy or that you’ve found
make people who work for you or with you happier more quickly because a lot of people just
aren’t happy? Peter: Absolutely.
Dave: What are they? Peter: Two aspects. One, first of all, one
of the things I’ll do to start with this, give people the fastest way to unhappiness
because usually, it’s normally what stops people from being happy rather than allowing
them to be happy, if you know what I mean. One of the fastest ways to unhappiness that
I see predominantly as the major obstacle in most people’s level of fulfillment is trying
to get somebody else to be, do, handle behavior in a way that you want them to actual behave.
We tend to forget that we perceive our world through our 5 sense, and they can be different
for every single other person. We all have 5 senses [bit 00:20:12] processing coming
information into the body, and it is only through those 5 senses that we can perceive
the physical world. Anybody listening or watching this right now,
whether they’re using sight or sound or feeling the air conditioning or the seat that they’re
sitting or the bus they’re riding on or whatever it is, yet everything in that outer world
is coming to them through this podcast, is being filtered first through one of those
5 senses. The obvious question to ask to flag up or to remind people that we create our
own reality moment by moment, is how many of us all like the same food? We’ve got a
variable instantly. How many of us all like the same music? How of us have the same favorite
color? How many of all like the same smell? That’s why so many different levels and aftershave
… We’ve all different sense of what we like to smell.
From that sense, you come to a conclusion, an unavoidable and inescapable conclusion
that 2 people could be standing side-by-side, inhabiting pretty much the same space in the
same moment in time, experience the same event or experience in the outer world, use the
same equipment to process that, and then [inaudible 00:21:22] the 5 senses and come up with an
entirely different conclusion as to what that means or what that experience … effect is
for them. Now the clear question is: Who’s right? Most
of that time, we spend justifying why our interpretation is right, and unfortunately
most people have to get buy-in from others to validate why their sense is right, by getting
external agreement; the more people agree with me, the more I feel good about being
right because I’m justified because obviously I’ve experienced it. Well, wake up! No! You
experienced what’s right for you and somebody else could experience what’s right for them,
and that’s besides the other filters that are going on, your experience, your beliefs,
your cultural upbringing, your sense of values, your sense of … Your emotional mood at the
time, all of those different co-factors. If you can give up the game of trying to have
other people act in a way that fits your pictures, you’ll start avoiding the fastest routes to
unhappiness. You could also [throw it in at down 00:22:25] at a higher level: reality.
Now, I gave up fighting reality quite a while ago for one simple reason: It kept winning.
To allow yourself the permission to let go of a lot of the stuff that’s out there, that
disagrees with what you think reality should look like, is another way to get off that.
Now, if you want the key to happiness, there’s kind of a complicated way and an uncomplicated
way. The complicated way is what most people vote on. That’s how they set up the game.
The complicated way to happiness is, “When I get …” Yeah, fill in the blank, the right
relationship, more money, a better car, the house of my dreams, the girl of my dr-, whatever
it is, fill in the blank. When the outer world fits the picture of what I think my inner
world is saying it should look like in order to be happy, then I will give myself permission
to be happy. That’s very complicated and unfortunately, it’s a house, a wheel to nowhere for most
people. The energy field of desire will never be complete.
You’ll get temporary level of satisfaction, but desire is like a drug. It’s not a state
that you conquer. Desire is an ongoing process, therefore, whatever you desire, you think
you’re going to get to be happy. Once you get it, you may get a temporary sense of achievement,
but the desire is an energy field; it’s self-perpetuating, so it has to replace itself with something
else, but that’s a trap most people don’t recognize. That’s the complicated way, and
I’ve spent many, many years doing that and somewhat fruitlessly chasing my tail as I
think a lot of people appreciate. The simple way to happiness is a little easier.
Think happy thoughts. And you suddenly come to the mind-blowing awareness that all happiness
ever can be is a real time present condition of thinking happy thoughts. Now, if you set
up again to say that you’ll only allow yourself to do that once the outer world fits certain
pictures that aren’t currently fulfilled, then good luck, keep chasing. But all you
ever going to do is give yourself permission to do what you can give yourself permission
to do right now. If you want to be happy, or if you look back in your past and the times
you were happy, I guarantee you that’s all that’s going on. You are thinking happy thoughts.
Dave: On the flip side, it is easier to be happy when your basic needs are met, right?
Peter: Most people’s basic needs are a moving target. Most people don’t understand what
their basic needs are. I go to Guguletu in Cape Town; basic needs are “Can I have an
extra spoon of rice?” I walk down the street and listen to some of the conversations in
the Dubai Mall, and you’d think most 6 year olds basic needs are “Can I have an extra
iPad?” Dave: You’re exactly right. One of the happiest
groups of people I ever say, that was really touching, was in Cambodia, not more than a
decade or 2 after the country was just horribly traumatized. Very poor people, a dollar a
day, that’s the average income, not enough food, walking around happier than the average
person you would see in a mall anywhere in a America. Just completely amazing because
they were thinking happy thoughts, walking around singing songs and … There was suffering,
but there was still happiness at the same time which was an eye opener to me at the
time. It’s similar to what you’re saying. The word “Need” there may be is part of the
problem because it’s not actually what you needed; it’s what you thought you needed.
Peter: As human beings … You got to understand that we don’t get to vote on whether we
are going to be programmed or not. We are programmable people. We don’t do things out
of rational thinking most of the times, unfortunately. We do quite a bit out of passion, but most
of what we do, we do out of consistently ingrained habit, and those habits are based upon programming,
majority of which is unconscious. Now, people in Cambodia at that particular
time didn’t really have access to 30,000 commercial messages a day, programming them to as why
they’re unhappy without certain products. They weren’t plugged into good things like
constant negative news or CNN as most people call it. They weren’t exposed to a level or
outside programming that they feel they still have free will to make decisions on, which
is the furthest thing from the truth because whether or not you’re going to be programmed,
it isn’t a choice. How you want to be programmed is a choice, but most people on default leave
that completely open and therefore susceptible to the agendas of others.
It’s like sailing on an ocean. You don’t get to control the wind. You’re going to be blown.
You’re going to be blown. How you utilize that based upon way you handled your sail,
you do get to choose. But if you sort st- [inaudible 00:27:30] back and think “Wow.
I’m sailing. I’m just going [bibble around 00:27:33] you’re going to wake up next morning
somewhere off course, or at the mercy of whatever the wind is.
Now the challenge to their society is that the wind has an agenda. The media has agendas.
Commercial bias has agendas. They spend a lot of money and hire a lot of smart people
to figure out how you can be unconsciously programmed, the most effective, efficient,
and clinical way possible that if you were walking around without a specific focus or
intention to take charge of your own programming, I guarantee you, you’re going to be picked
up and put on a fast track of how somebody else wants that to happen. That’s just the
way it is. Dave: I’ve used a lot of technology as well
as meditation to become aware of the automated responses my body has and to learn how to
reprogram them so that they serve me much better than serving some other uses. What
are the techniques that you used that make the most difference for becoming aware of
your internal messages, including the ones that you got programmed from media or just
from the way you were raised becoming aware of them, and then changing them so that you
don’t have to go through that rational loop of recognizing, thinking, and then doing,
whereas you can just change the actual response in the first place? Do you have a way to do
that? Peter: Ask other questions. Be present enough
to ask intelligent and smart questions. “What’s really going on here?” is a great question.
“What is the agenda that’s happening right now?” “What does this really mean?” Because
most people, again, are walking around offering themselves to be emotionally manipulated and
have no clue. Trust me, there’s a lot of smart people out there right now that get hired
by a lot of corporations that pay very handsomely to figure out how to press your buttons.
If you’re allowing your buttons to be pressed without saying, “Whoa, hang on a minute.”
… When you come to the awareness that nobody can do anything to you emotionally without
your permission you start to understand levels of freedom of thought and freedom of response.
The challenge is most people don’t like responsibility to be able to do that because
they hold responsibility as a way to feel good. It’s kind of extra burden. “I have
more … [enough responsibility at work 00:29:47] I have enough responsibility for my family,”
but stop and have a look at the word for a second, “Responsibility.” The ability to respond.
If you want to take responsibility for your own emotional reactions, if you want to take
responsibility for you own quality of life, your own quality of experience, it’s got nothing
to do with whether you’re driving the car you want. Everything to do with a moment-by-moment
appreciation of the fact that nobody can do anything to you emotional without your permission.
When you start taking charge of your response and your reaction rather than just [run off
a pattern 00:30:27] … It’s kind of like people have a whole series of movies pre-recorded,
and it’s like being a human jukebox or a human sort of movie jukebox.
As soon as somebody says or does or anything that presses a certain sequence of buttons,
you go into a part of the brain that has a preset response on a preset recorded DVD.
It goes in the slot, presses play, and you act out something that is unconscious, that
you didn’t even get to vote on. Now, so somebody turns around and says “Hey. You’re an asshole.”
And you’re like “How dare you call me a …” whatever it is. Yeah, so they just pressed a button,
and you went to the pre-recorded… Let’s say if somebody does this, I play this
movie and this is what happens. Wake up! You’re better than that. If somebody calls you that
… And how about compassion? How about saying… You’re driving down the road and somebody
cuts you off in traffic, classic one. Now you want to make it real? Especially on the
roads in Dubai. Yeah? You’re driving and somebody cuts you off. Apart from the fact it’s predictable,
all right, you know, “Son of a b …” You start reacting off a pattern. You want to
get ahead of them, or you want to give them a piece of your mind. You want to … You
chase them down the road. Now, can you just imagine that, and you’ve
got your son or daughter in the car, what’s daddy or mummy teaching them about mastery
of emotional response? No. Nothing. That could probably lead to some pretty bad scenarios
at the next set of traffic lights if that got out of control. As opposed to you suddenly
see this guy, who’s all mean looking and overtakes you and cuts you off and you’re like, “I’ll
tell you what. He obviously needs the road more than I do. I’m so grateful I’m not having
a day like he’s had.” Dave: Yeah, and probably he’s got someone
dying in the backseat. You just don’t know, right?
Peter: [7 to 1. 00:32:21] Dave: Yeah.
Peter: If he needs the road so much that he’s going to do that then, yeah, I’m grateful
that that’s not me sitting in the car. Dave: That was one of the more difficult things
I ever learned. The way I finally did that, Peter, was with the HeartMath sensor. I learned
to drive in traffic and keep the light green. Every time someone cuts you off, it will turn
red. It took me 2 weeks of doing that every day before I could finally keep it green when
someone cut me off because … I mean it just makes you want to kill. It really does. That’s
your body, your fight or flight. It somehow thinks the guy’s a tiger or whatever else,
but to reverse that programming in myself took a long time because I used to be kind
of a jerk on the road, and I’m glad to say I’m not anymore.
Peter: Well done on being an example there. But one thing I’d invite my listeners or viewers
to look at is our self-language, our self-vocalization because if we turn around and say “That son
of a bitch made me mad,” guess what? Complete untruth. Absolutely lie. At least … Even
if you can’t unhook emotionally, allow yourself the gift of being truthful even if nobody
else hears it. You know what I’m saying? I chose to make myself mad based upon what they
did. Now, it doesn’t mean say you’re going to agree with them, but here’s another level
of mastery that would allow people to raise their level consciousness.
When I look at behavior in others that I would let’s say, disagree with or falls outside
of my values or at best would illicit a negative response and at worst would drive me mad and
whatever it is, one of the things that would teach people very quickly how to raise that
level of consciousness to a point where they can become self-masters … And this is really
what we’re talking about. It’s about becoming master of our own emotional response rather
than allow us to be hooked and pulled and pushed and like everybody else has got the
puppet strings, because that’s not a life that [had at least 00:34:32] any level of
fulfillment. If you somebody acting out of accordance with
how you feel they should be acting, then one of the first things that I do is I put myself
in their shoes. I have to come to the place of understanding that look, people do things
for reasons, right? Cased closed. That’s the psychological fact. People do things for reasons.
Now, they may not be your reasons, and they may not be my reasons, but I know they do
things for reasons. Unless I can put myself in somebody else’s
shoes to the extent that I can understanding that if I was them with their history, their
story, their current emotional frame of mind, their belief system, their screwed up call
it model of the world, whatever label, what judgment you want to do, whatever it is, if
I cannot put myself in their shoes and fully associate to the fact that if I was them,
I would also hope done what they did, then I have no right to judge.
Now, it doesn’t mean to say that once I step out of that shoes, I don’t have to agree
with them, of course. But unless I can put myself in their shoes and [comes 00:35:43]
the place of awareness and understandable [authentically 00:35:46] say that “Yeah.
I would do that, and I can be that person because we’ve all been idiots, assholes, impatient,
end up short tempered, bad ass son of bitch, unloving, unlovable …” There isn’t a word
in the English language that can describe human behavior that we’ve not encountered,
embodied and being at some point in our life. Case closed.
If we can’t come to the awareness … If I can’t step inside that person’s shoes and
appreciate why they’ve done it, it doesn’t mean say I need to agree with it once I step
out of their shoes, if I can’t appreciate the fact or come to the awareness that if
I was them in that state with their mindset, their history, their story, “I wouldn’t have
done the same thing”, then I have absolutely no right to impose my judgment or model of
the world onto that person. But most of us do. We’re too quick to click, “Oh look at
that idiot doing what he’s doing.” Well, guess what? You were that idiot at one point, or
you certainly could be. So unhook, come from a place of non-judgments
to the extent that … It doesn’t say you’re trying to put the world to rights, no. You
got no right to put the world to rights. Wake up. The only right that we have in this world
from my perspective is to try and be the best us we can be. If you … I have this bee in
our bonnet about “We’ve got to fix the education system. We’ve got to fix the economy. The
government sucks. Blah, blah, blah,” all of this, and we’re on a mission to try and fix
everybody else as well, then I’ve seen that lead to a lot of frustration.
You take Nelson Mandela. Nelson Mandela didn’t build schools. Nelson Mandela didn’t go and
fix other people’s problems. He didn’t try and address what was on. He became the example
for others to follow by being the best him he could be, irrespective of his past, right
or wrong, and he had level of 27 years of time to mature emotionally to lead a country
through one of the traumatic and difficult times that could have so descended into violence
like that. And he didn’t, but he didn’t do it by running around trying to fix everybody
else’s issues and telling why they were wrong, no. He became the example. As a result of
that, he changed millions more lives than anybody building schools in Africa.
Dave: Yeah. The idea that “if you want to change the world, change yourself,” it’s true
and it’s so hard to imagine. To choose to act with compassion when people are doing
things that make the world a worse place is a definitely difficult choice, but it’s one
that you see people make, and when they do, they create really big change. What is-
Peter: It’s not about- Dave: Go ahead.
Peter: It’s not about levels of understanding because insight plays very little part of
that. It’s all about levels of awareness. For example, when I was 16, as I’m sure many
other people listening here that, yeah, can probably remember that far back, I thought
I got the world pretty sussed out. At 16, we got our stuff together, right? Yeah. We
know how everything is. Now, when we’re 25, and we look back at the 16 year old us, how
much of the world did we actually really had sussed out at 16? Right? Nothing. Right? But
could a 25 year old explain to a 16 year old what the world is like at 25?
Well, they can explain it, and they can intellectually probably understand some of it, but there’s
no way they can experience it because the base isn’t big enough. The question of wanting
to have self-inquiry to the point of maturing emotionally or spiritually is about recognizing
that wherever we are right now, our base isn’t big enough to understand what’s next and being
okay with that. When you’re 40, you look at back at 25 when
you thought you really had the world sussed and realized how little we have the world
sussed. At 25, you can’t experience life as a 40 year old, not because you’re not intelligent,
not because your IQ, or you’re going to learn some new technique on meditating at 40, no.
Your base isn’t big enough. To turn around at somebody at 16 and say,
“Look. You should react with compassion rather than making an obscene gesture through the
window,” you can’t judge somebody for that because we’re on a path, and that path unfolds.
Now, the path that unfolds probably fester when you have the intention to move forward,
but nobody was born enlightened. Buddha wasn’t born enlightened. It was a journey, a progression,
and that is the journey for most people. At 41 years old now myself, I know the … Yes.
I look back at when I was 30 or 25 and the ego driven that I was at the time, and I see
how much of the world that I didn’t know. I wouldn’t have reacted with compassion. You’d
call me an asshole and I would’ve probably head-butted you. Now I … It doesn’t mean
to say that the person I was then is any less significant or worse now; it’s just levels
of awareness. I can’t go back and tell myself that because I wouldn’t understand it at that
age. For people that have had the humility and
the grace to have allowed themselves to progress … One of the temptations sometimes is to
judge others that haven’t had that level of awareness yet. You can’t do that. You can
only be the example for them to follow and unhook from the whether they should or shouldn’t.
Dave: Not a lot of people know this, but Bulletproof is a pretty small company right now, but 3
of my key employees are more than 20 years older than I am because I figured they must
have a bigger base than I do, and they certainly have more experience than I do, and I rely
heavily on their advice because I figure whoever I’m going to be when I’m 50, by the way I’m
41 also, about to turn 42 at some point coming up here … It’s really interesting just to
see the world through their eyes and through mine, and I know that I don’t have that
kind of experience, and I think that’s one of the things that helped me to do what I’m
doing just because I … Recognizing that there must be a lot more I don’t know because
my base now is a lot better than like you said at 25 or 16 because I was definitely
a jerk back then … I work on being much less of one these days.
There’s something that comes into play here though, and that’s wealth. You’ve been a very
successful serial entrepreneur. I had the fortunate and unfortunate lesson of making
6 million dollars and then losing it in my mid-20s which-
Peter: [inaudible 00:42:21] Dave: That’s not so fun. Company went bankrupt,
et cetera, et cetera. Most people only hear the “Dave made 6 million dollars. He’s a rich
A-hole.” I’m like “It didn’t quite go down like that. I’ve been working for the past
20 years for a reason.” What is the role of wealth and people’s emotional and spiritual
like inner awareness and their connection to wealth? What’s your take on that?
Peter: Great question and one that is probably one of the biggest areas that prevents people
from climbing through levels of awareness; is they get [stuck of 00:42:55] money. I don’t
know how much longer we have, but … From my side, for money … How can I put it … Once
you understand what money is, a higher level of awareness, you can stop chasing the damn
thing because money is simply and always will be, a reflection of what value you add. Case
closed. It’s an arbitrary medium of exchange. Money means nothing. If the economy went FUBAR
tomorrow, and we’re left with a million dollars, and it was cold, you’d burn it to stay warm.
Money has no intrinsic value in the way that we represent it right now.
All it is, is a byproduct [or 00:43:35] consequence of how much value you add. Now, the reason
most don’t like that awareness is because if you don’t have enough, that means you have
to look in front of the mirror and say “Well that means I haven’t given enough.” Most people
sense of what they think they’re giving is enough, but they just don’t feel as if they
have enough money. The other aspect to this is that most people unfortunately don’t
recognize that there are 2 bank accounts. There is a financial bank account, which everybody
focuses on, but there’s an emotional bank account. Most people’s emotional bank account,
unfortunately, follows their financial bank account. If your financial bank account is
lower than what you’d like it to be, then usually your emotional bank account is too
far behind. People who think that money will solve all of their problems are living in
Disneyland. The challenge with that prevalent belief system for most people, is that money
solves problems, is because those that don’t have access to a lot of money, most of their
immediate problems, [since or are caused 00:44:39] by lack of money.
Therefore, the illusion is that the more money I have, then the less problems I’ll get. Well,
that’s just not true. You’ll have bigger problems and better quality problems, but that’s a
different conversation. You ask somebody who’s worth 10, 20 million
dollars if problems go away, and they’ll laugh at you. But, if you have the situation where
your psychology is wired that your financial bank account follows … Your emotional bank
account rather follows your financial bank account, you’ll always be poor financially.
That is because, what we weren’t taught in school, is that the financial bank account
is a lacking indicator, not a leading indicator. In other words, if we want a financial bank
account to go up, our emotional bank account has to go up first, otherwise we’re tied into
a negative feedback loop. Now, there’s a time delay because we live
and operate in a paradigm, what’s known as Newtonian physics and causality, which means
that the circumstantial reality that we need to create to increase money doesn’t happen
instantaneously. It happens instantaneously in the metaphysical world. You start vibrating
at the level of positive attraction; you start appreciating things. You start getting onto
a level of raising of emotional account to a high level, the financial bank account has
to follow, but it doesn’t follow at 3:00 on Tuesday when we want it to because in the
metaphysical world, things happen instantaneously, so that, what Hawkins would call an attractive
pattern, it’s already set. You send the message out, but people don’t
give it long enough because they want to see immediate results, or they’re hooked into
their emotional bank account gets tied back to their financial bank account, so then all
of a sudden you’re back on the negative loop. To give an example, if you are in a dream,
if you want something to happen, it happens instantly. You want to fly, you fly. In the
metaphysical world, things happen straight away. It’s almost like a little boat, a remote
control boat on a pond. You turn left on the controller and voom, voom, instantly turns
left, but in the physical world, the time it takes for that attractive pattern to translate
into circumstantial reality of the universe to rearrange itself, to allow that financial
bank account to follow the emotional bank account, it’s like an oil tanker on the ocean.
You turn the wheel left and nothing happens to 2 kilometers.
You have to give it time. The signal has been set. The boat has to turn, but if halfway
after a kilometer you spin the wheel back and say “This ship doesn’t work” and I’m sorry,
but nobody vote on the fact that you get to control when that happens, but the speed that
the boat turns at is totally linked to the congruency and the alignment between your
thinking center and your feeling center and the consistency of that frequency that you’re
broadcasting. Talk about money … Money’s a reflection
of the value you add, and that value you add isn’t just about giving 40 hours a week, an
employer or a product to a service into the marketplace, what value you adding to the
world that you’re inhabiting. We’re all guests on this planet, but if you’re kicking and
complaining … Here’s why most people’s financial bank accounts stays low. Because what they
do is … I’ll give another metaphor. Imagine walking into an art gallery or museum.
You go into a museum. You’ve been invited in as a [sederal guest on this planet. 00:48:21]
You walk into the room, and the exhibit is called “Your Wife.” You walk into this room,
and you look around, and you don’t actually like the exhibit. In fact, they’re disgusting.
They don’t please you. Now, you’ve got a couple of different things you do. Here’s
what most people do. Having bought the ticket and walked into that exhibit, they stop stamping
their feet, shouting and demanding the curator comes and changes all the exhibits around
to something they like. Now if you did that in the museum, what would actually happen?
Dave: You’d leave. Peter: Security would come, and you’d be thrown
out [of the museum. 00:48:57] Dave: Yes.
Peter: Right? Would you have any chance of demanding having bought your ticket, that
the curator comes and changes that? Is anything in that room going to change?
Dave: Not at all. Peter: Not at all, so you have absolutely
no right to complain at the exhibits in the room called “Your Wife”. However, you have
every right to choose to walk into a different room. If you’re bitching and complaining about
the exhibits and your wife right now, guess what? That is the glue that keeps you tied
to them. Quit that because it will keep your emotional bank account at zero and your financial
bank account will have no chance to change. You have every right … You’ve got some …
If I recognized that my financial bank account is simply a reflection of what my emotional
bank account has been doing for the last couple of months, then it’s no wonder most of it
is in the shape that it’s in. Hey! That’s positive confirmation that the system works.
I’m going to make a commitment to go out and walk into a different room and maintain and
hold that course. Nobody can come back to me in 2 months that authentically does that
and tells me that that hasn’t shifted. It may not shift exactly how they want, but the
only people that complain are there ones that go in for 3 days, see that it hasn’t changed,
and then complain about it and spin the wheel back on the tanker.
Dave: Peter, the part about your emotional bank account leading your financial bank account,
is that based on … Is that something you invented, or is that based on some particular
teaching or work that you’ve come across? Because it’s brilliant, and I’ve never heard
it before. What’s the source of that? Peter: The analogy of the personal financial
bank account is something that I overlay because I think people can understand that.
Dave: It’s really well said, and it makes great sense, so that’s brilliant, thank you.
Peter: I appreciate that, thank you. I mean I could go into many different levels of tangible,
intangible, physical, metaphysical, Newtonian causality, non-linear dynamics, but most people
get the analogy of financial bank account, emotional bank-, It just makes it easy for
those that aren’t in the [know-tery 00:50:56] like sometimes we are learning advanced theoretical
physics and metaphysics. To be fair, when you get through [all to translating,
00:51:03] that’s pretty much what’s going on.
Dave: It’s the simplest way I’ve ever heard it explained, and it jives with my reality
a hundred percent. I want to be very respectful of your time but we have one more-
Peter: I’m here as long you want me. Dave: Oh, you’ve got some time. Great.
Peter: Actually, before we jump off the subject of money, I just wanted to throw in one other
level of awareness that I think is very valuable for a lot of people. That is having … Obviously
having work with Tony for the last probably, I don’t know, 14 or so years now, Tony Robbins
… I was actually Tony’s youngest ever trainer in 2002 which I was very proud of at the time.
Looking back right now I realize how little I knew as a trainer back then. That said,
again, we’re all on our own journey. One thing I certainly credit and attribute
Tony for raising my level or awareness is what he calls the “Primary fear”. The primary
fear is the fear that we’re not enough. We’re born with 2 natural fears: The fear of falling
and the fear of loud noises. Everything else is learned. But the fear that we’re not enough
is usually the root cause of most of the issues that I’d spend a lot time working in psychotherapeutic
intervention around the world. That’s usually where it has its [genesis. 00:52:11]
The fear that we’re not enough, not good enough predominantly for a lot of people, not rich
enough, not certain enough, not loved enough, not happy enough, not tall enough, short enough,
fill in the blank. We’ve all got a blank to fill in at that level predominantly unless
you start transcending into much higher levels of awareness.
For the fear that we’re not enough, let’s just overlay money on this. One of the major
challenges, and I started seeing this when I looked into the issue around money that
people have, and the psychology that prevents them from raising their financial and their
emotional bank account. That is that … Most people make the fundamental, critical, and
devastating mistake … I can’t understate this. Devastating mistake, that they combine
and intertwine their self-worth with their net-worth. That again is down to a lot of
the conditionality and the programming that 21st century reality has put on most people.
“You’re good enough if …” you drive the right car, have the right business card, the
right job description, yeah blah, blah, blah, fill in the blank.
If you have your self-worth and your net-worth tied, most of the time if your net-worth is
threatened, it triggers the fear that you are not enough because your self-worth is
automatically linked. That’s one of the reasons why I see most people compromise their values
around money faster than anything else. It’s not because they’re bad people. It’s just
that their association to their self-worth and net-worth is so strong that if their … They
will decisions that will compromise their values around money so that the trigger, the
fear that they’re not enough, is not set off because most people would do almost anything
to avoid that. If people want to take a step forward in creating
financial abundance, unhook your self-worth from your self-worth from your net-worth.
Understand that you were born good, nothing … You don’t need a bank account to prove
that. Understand that regardless of what happens, you’re not going to take it with you. You
don’t want to be the richest man in the graveyard. The only people that try to take wealth with
them were the Egyptians, and the only thing that happened is we dug it up and stole it.
That doesn’t work. That’s why there’s a big difference between wealth and fulfillment.
Most people are so poor, all they have is money.
If you’re chasing that, and most people do to validate their self-worth, then again,
you’re on a hamster wheel to unfulfillment that unfortunately, that’s a tunnel with no
cheese. Most people wake up at the end and … It begs the question, what is the grand
prize? Is it a fleet of Bentleys? Because here’s what I know, I’ve never been around
people, and I have, been around people who are at the end of their life; people that
have finally succumbed to the realization of their mortality and that could be the fact
that they’ve got hours, days, or weeks to live and have actually resigned or surrendered
to that level of awareness. Every single one of those, not those that
are still fighting the inevitable, but those that have surrendered to that level of awareness
and have a little more level of serenity around that rather than in trepidation. Obviously,
there’s always fear for a lot of people, but those that have come to the awareness and
accepted it, not one person, and you can talk to nurses in hospices that spend their life
around these people, not one person have I ever come across that has lied there and said
“You know something? Please go and fetch me my mahogany framed MBA certificate. Please
go fetch me the keys to my Ferrari.” No. What do they say? What is the grand prize?
The grand prize is “Please go and fetch me the people that I care about” and “I wish
I told that I loved more than I did.” Or “Please go fetch me the people I love, and I want
to just want to be around even if nothing is said, I can just be with them.” That’s
the grand prize. Most people avoid that; missed again completely because they’re so busy chasing
validation that they’re good enough because they need a financial bank account to prove
it in the eyes of others. You were born good enough. Get off that game. Once you’re free
of that game, and you can start recognizing that true fulfillments comes from love, joy
, happiness, thinking happy thought, not getting caught up and stressed out because your Wi-Fi
signal isn’t strong enough. Not getting caught up because McDonald’s ran out of barbecue
sauce. When you come from a place of surrender to
the fact that what is the grand prize, guess what? You’re then free to go and make money,
but it doesn’t have a hold of you. The paradox is you’ll probably make more of it because
it won’t mean as much. Dave: That is incredibly deep and well said.
It makes me wonder. You get some pretty heavy criticism from your latest space energy project.
Criticism triggers those things right? You’re managing to do something that is very much
world changing. At the same time, how do you handle it internally when you get the critics.
We can all see what you say to the critics, and that you’re sticking with your science,
but how do you handle that internally? How do you keep them from taking you out of the
zone, so you get out of the flow-state; you get basically bummed because they are saying
effectively you are not good enough, as a part of the criticism? You’ve never been called
a crazy person have you, Peter? Peter: Well, I hope so.
Dave: Exactly. Tell me what goes on inside your mind or inside your heart when some says
“Oh my God, I have a PhD from X, Y, and Z, and Peter is a nutter, and it’s never going
to work, and it’s going to kill the planet” whatever the worst things that they say. What
does that do to you, and do you turn that around?
Peter: Here’s a lesson in psychology that I think would offer some value and benefit
to many of the [inaudible 00:58:48] [abuse. 00:58:48] People say to me, “What is one of
the biggest gifts you can give to children?” I would say that the first thing is understand
the difference between being internally and externally validated. If you want externally
validated, it’s kind of what I was saying earlier, you will need other people to agree
with your model of the world in order to feel good about it. The second somebody disagrees
with that, you are on a defensive path to try and revalidate your model of the world
to them. That’s an exhausting game. I’ve already said,
you want the key to unhappiness, try and get somebody else to agree with what it is you
want them to agree with. That’s a fool’s game. That’s Disneyland thinking. That’s never going
to happen. 7 billion people on the planet, and 7 different ways of looking at it … 7
billion different ways of looking at it. It’s like …
No one would get anyone with that. If I hear somebody else’s [poignant 00:59:44] point
of view, then … don’t get me wrong, I’m not myopically glued to something because
it’s my idea and therefore it’s right. No. If somebody presents a level of insight that
I think is valid, that is [an area of 00:59:56] [inaudible 00:59:56] time–I’m not the smartest
guy in the world, far, far, far from it.–then, and I think it’s valid, I’ll of course I’ll
have a look at that. But for somebody to say that my model of the
world challenges theirs and therefore mine is wrong … I mean if you hear it from that
perspective, you see the lunacy of it right? I’m very and exceptionally internally validated.
I don’t need 6,999,999,999 other people to agree with me at any level for me to feel
good about what it is I want to feel good about. Why would I? If I’m not hurting anybody
else, and as long as nobody is less than because they crossed my path, why would I subject
myself to the good opinion of others, when I know that’s a game no one can ever win?
Now, I don’t swim in GOOP. G-O-O-P, good opinion of other people. Most people spend their lives
swimming in GOOP because they’re externally validating. You want to give a gift to your
kid, get them to be internally validated, not to the point where they’re arrogant. Arrogance
is the same pattern, just the flip side of the coin. “I’m indifferent to your stupid
model of the world because mine is better.” I’m almost validating mine by proving yours
is wrong. It’s the same deal. There’s no humility in that. If someone’s
got a PhD, then for a start I already that they’d been programmed to be a mismatcher.
Their entire thesis is based upon proving something that hasn’t been proved yet. They’re
conditioned to it. It’s predictable. I remember when I was 22, I said, “You know
what I get? As many hate websites as Bill Gates. I know I’ll be doing well.” It’s just
perspective. If you are internally validated, not opinionated, not egotistical, again like
I said, that’s just the flip side of the coin to being externally validated; that’s a case
of not giving a crap. Of course I care about other people’s … If there’s something valid
there, then I’ll assess it on my own terms, and if it’s valid, I’ll thank them for their
perspective. But for someone to come out of left field
and try to justify … I see the pattern they’re wanting. It’s the pattern I’ve just explained.
If it contradicts them, their model of the world, and they’re externally validated, they
have to contradict where I am and try and get me … Try and attack mine and anyone
else’s point of view. It’s how they get their validation. It’s how they get their significance.
Dave: It’s because they feel not good enough like you were saying earlier.
Peter: It’s always there. It’s always there. I can think of almost, to be fair, amusement
rather than anger. That’s not looking down on them. That’s looking at the pattern, not
them. I make the distinction between somebody and somebody’s behavior. That’s an important
distinction to make; that only usually comes through a higher level of awareness. Certainly,
you can come in anywhere lower levels of awareness. I can you tell you that.
I’m very fortunate and blessed that having had the level of discipline and self-inquiry
on the journey that [I’ve gone, and I’m only 01:02:57] a couple of steps ahead of
people that haven’t taken that based on-experience that, again, I said earlier, some people haven’t
had the fortune to have access to the level of insights I have. It’s not some clever or
special… To understand the distinction between somebody
and their behavior is a very powerful level of insight to bring to the table. If somebody
wants to attack me, if I’m at the same level of awareness, I’m going to push back. But
if I recognize that this person is having a bad day; this person is frustrated. This
person is obviously on their own journey and thank God I’m not them because if I was to
live my life with that level of stress, holy crap I’m … I mean all of their ability to
still function … And come from a place of admiration from where they’re at rather than
judgment and trying to defend my position. That’s a fool’s game. Give me a break.
Yeah. Am I going to get attacked? I hope so. Does it contradict everybody else’s model
of the world? Well, it wouldn’t be doing much good if it didn’t.
Dave: I love it. Peter: You’re not going to save world thinking
whatever everybody else thinks. Dave: That’s awesome. Well, this is the only
interview I’ve had so far, Peter, where I feel like the interview is already maybe answered
the final question, but I’m going to ask the final question so you can just wrap it up
succinctly. This is something I’ve asked all hundred and about twenty people I’ve interviewed
over the past few years. Given your entire life experience, your top 3 recommendations
for people who want to perform better at whatever it is they’re here to do, just most 3 important
nuggets. Peter: Everybody always wants the top this,
the top that, the golden this, the golden… One of the first things I would suggest is
give up the need to look for the top 3. But inherent in that is to learn to live in the
space of a question. Most people’s minds are so conditioned to absolutes, and part of the
reason for that is historically we’re programmed to have a thirst for answers. Now, we grew
up outside of the sciences as a species, in a way that for generations and tens of thousands
of years, we were intrigued by natural phenomena. When it rained, we wondered why. Where did
the ocean go every night? Why did it come back? Why did the moon change shape? We have
an intrinsic, built into our DNA thirst for absolute answers.
The flip side to that on a positive, it makes known the consummate explorer to reach out
beyond that comfortable grasp and create magic that no other species or no other part of
history man has had the ability to do. The other side to that is that the mind wants,
“Give me the top 3.” If you are able to … If I was to put the top 1, having contradicted
what I’ve just said, I would say one of the most powerful things that somebody can do
is to increase their ability to handle uncertainty. Dave: Ooh, great answer. All right. Yes.
Peter: Inherent in that, is learn to live in the space of a question. The second thing
I would encourage people to look at is to recognize that we all come at life through
a different looking glasses. You create your model of the world; I create my model of the
world. It’s going to be different for you because you have a different way of interpreting
through the 5 senses, on top of a different belief system, a different upbringing, a different
cultural paradigm, and, and, and, and. Therefore, if you agree with me, then there’s
something wrong. It’s like the … If 2 people in business always agree, one of them is unnecessary.
Learn to understand that we all have a different viewpoint and be okay with that. I don’t need
you to agree with me to me feel good about agreeing with myself. Make a distinction there
because if you can do that, everything shifts. The third one, if I was to sum that up … Let
me have a think. … Again, don’t get hooked by your immediate circumstances. If you’re
bitching and complaining about the artifacts in the room, in the museum right now, you’re
either going to get thrown out, or you’re going to be more annoyed that you’re never
going to change them. Make a conscious choice to walk into a different room. Choose a different
vector. You know something? I can either complain about my circumstances, or I can choose the
ones that I want. Get inspired. Tap into the …
Make sense of who you are that was born a miracle. 400 million to 1 and you show up.
That was no accident. You chose to be here for a better reason than working 9 to 5 in
a job you don’t like for somebody you’d never probably understood for a wage that is less
than what you’re worth, to retire at 65 on something that you’ve thought might be happiness
to find out it isn’t. Give it up. Follow your passion. Follow your bliss and don’t let anybody
tell you that you can’t do it. Dave: Peter, amazing interview. Thank you
for taking the time to be on Bulletproof Executive Radio. Where should people go to learn more
about what you’re doing, your books, give me your URL, Twitter, wherever else you would
like people to know more about what you’re doing?
Peter: Thank you. They want my website obviously, petersage.com
It’s hard to hide a public profile these days, so if you Google “Peter Sage”, I’m pretty
much everywhere for the right or wrong reason I’m sure, depending on if you’ve got a PhD
or not. Twitter, PeterSage007. Please don’t tweet away or retweet this or … My passion
here is to get the message out that can hopefully raise … Even if it’s one thing people can
take out of this interview that they can make a difference with. Knowing and not doing is
the same as not knowing. Most people are well read and know nothing, or they’re inspired
in the moment, but then get caught up in trying to do too much. The reason is that the emotional
root is usually overwhelmed; leads to confusion which leads to inaction, which means they’ve
learned so much, they do nothing. Take one thing out of this interview and go
and help somebody else with it. Go be the example. Go share it. If you want access to
more of my work, then I’m obviously on YouTube. PeterSage.com is my main resource. It’s been
a pleasure to spend this time with you and have this chat and hopefully, add some value
to some people that are watching or listening. Dave: You absolutely did. Thanks Peter. Featured
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